The American public is the ultimate overseer of these abuses. We must demand greater oversight, and anything already started under this regime must be dismantled.
It's Big Brother come to life. It's wrong, it should be illegal. Government control of our lives is subtly invading every aspect. Forget nationally, state and local police departments are cooperating with the feds. Flock and other tracking companies are contracted all over the country. What is the “real” reason? Traffic control? Yeah right.
The US is running scared. How can any American expect to exercise their Constitutional rights as a free individual, unsurveilled, safe and secure, when the US military is busy worldwide bombing, killing, destorying abd violently changing foreign governements and assassinating their leaders. Do they really think they are not related to these US demented activities and that all the peoples negatively affected aren't planning for revenge? Well do they? Wake up and smell the coffee. You individually are responsible for the horrors unleashed by your military on the rest of the world. You are going to pay big time for it because of your discrtionary ignorance!
Police say cameras solve serious crimes often. If this is close to true, then maybe these things need reform, not a ban. Any tool that invades our privacy will be abused, it's just human nature, but make the punishment fit the crime. If cops are stalking ex's, prospective sex partners, or people they hate, then punish them for it, but since most of us are not criminals, why do we worry about being tracked?
do you know about the cases involving license plates readers & national stolen car alerts resulting in wrong plates, cars & people identified, impounded & in some cases jailed? this is partly why. the AI systems are going fully auto, issuing alerts & the machines dont read all the different state plates accurately. Once these people get snagged, cars impounded they can often lose jobs, lots of money & reputation. everybody wants their dime & how long will you be locked up before they clear you of anything they can find to hold you on & figure out & decide you are free to go? in these cases you are guilty until proven innocent because a machine said so & when those jails want you to pay their daily fees from your being housed there, innocent or not, who do you think will pay them?
yes, they are learning the errors, perfecting facial rec, license plate readers etc while ruining lives.
predictive policing, is about predicting crimes that often never happen but the wrong word, sentence, joke, stupid conversations can become conspiracy to commit. no act, no attempt, no actual crime, just a story & you can spend years in jail & prison. prosecutors can choose what "flock", interstate camera info they want to access & play dumb about the rest to create the story.
change a pattern, drive a different route, do driving delivery jobs without proper insurance using apps that track, you wont have ins. drive 85 for a stretch of road, you wont have insurance. do you know about fusion centers? state compacts? insurance company computers reporting to states at 12:01a your ins expired resulting in auto DL suspensions & the police informing you as they confiscate your drivers license? computer error but who pays? reinstatement fees, time, transportation arrangements, phone calls & if they catch you driving until the issue is corrected you will have a real ticket that could in some states cost you jail time.
these are just a few examples & issues. tracking is simply about power & revenue. why does the system need to know your tire pressure on your car as you drive by another? the info from your phone, audio system and so much more as you drive past? managing the herd has costs & the herd exists to provide the necessary revenues for now & future...simple business
I think the fact they track murderers, rapists, child snatchers and sex traffickers with this tech overrides any mistakes it makes. If, as you say, people go to prison because the tech is faulty, the only reason you would know about that is if it was discovered and the wrong righted.
IF they catch so many sex traffickers & keep promising to do so…how come the big names remain untouched? same with drug dealers? those running these systems that oversee & overlook the routes, gateways & focus, only prosecute the minions? rescue small numbers in comparison to the numbers of those that go missing?
i know about it because i have educated myself & I know people IRL it has happened to & NO it often isn’t righted until after the destruction of livlihoods, family’s is done. often it is not righted. the misread license plates is indisputable & obvious but it still cost those people caught up in it.
i could run the list down, following the logic even further but you seem intelligent enough to do it yourself.
The constitutional powers are with the state constitutions. these camera systems are not new but have been building for decades with legislative support including the requirement of the latest tech in all new cars in 2027. why are they trying to ban them now? What exactly are they trying to ban? those details matter.
An old issue was the government having to buy the data from the companies collecting..pay for access.
You describe exactly what statistics tries to avoid. Look up Type 1 and Type 2 statistical errors. Society used to think it was better to let an innocent person go than to falsely jail him or her. Type 1 statistical error is a false positive, or when you are willing to convict based on, let's say, an AI error when it isn't true.
yes. those stats are real people whose lives are often destroyed in a blink of an eye. i have friends who approach this from the viewpoint i answered. This is no longer just lousy customer service or mixed up orders nor our providing millions in revenue for data points…
it is real life thousands of dollars lost & great harm to innocent people who did nothing wrong
We don't just need to consider the problems of today. We have to look at how it can be abused in the future. The future is tomorrow.
Police say the flock cams solve crimes. But they don't tell us what crimes. They need to put up or shut up.
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Why do Republicans not understand this is them too!!!
this is insane
The American public is the ultimate overseer of these abuses. We must demand greater oversight, and anything already started under this regime must be dismantled.
It's Big Brother come to life. It's wrong, it should be illegal. Government control of our lives is subtly invading every aspect. Forget nationally, state and local police departments are cooperating with the feds. Flock and other tracking companies are contracted all over the country. What is the “real” reason? Traffic control? Yeah right.
The US is running scared. How can any American expect to exercise their Constitutional rights as a free individual, unsurveilled, safe and secure, when the US military is busy worldwide bombing, killing, destorying abd violently changing foreign governements and assassinating their leaders. Do they really think they are not related to these US demented activities and that all the peoples negatively affected aren't planning for revenge? Well do they? Wake up and smell the coffee. You individually are responsible for the horrors unleashed by your military on the rest of the world. You are going to pay big time for it because of your discrtionary ignorance!
From what I understand even newer car tires have chips for data tracking. We do not consent.
Police say cameras solve serious crimes often. If this is close to true, then maybe these things need reform, not a ban. Any tool that invades our privacy will be abused, it's just human nature, but make the punishment fit the crime. If cops are stalking ex's, prospective sex partners, or people they hate, then punish them for it, but since most of us are not criminals, why do we worry about being tracked?
What crimes? Sounds like a lot of talk. Why don't we hear of those solved crimes? They need to put up or shut up.
do you know about the cases involving license plates readers & national stolen car alerts resulting in wrong plates, cars & people identified, impounded & in some cases jailed? this is partly why. the AI systems are going fully auto, issuing alerts & the machines dont read all the different state plates accurately. Once these people get snagged, cars impounded they can often lose jobs, lots of money & reputation. everybody wants their dime & how long will you be locked up before they clear you of anything they can find to hold you on & figure out & decide you are free to go? in these cases you are guilty until proven innocent because a machine said so & when those jails want you to pay their daily fees from your being housed there, innocent or not, who do you think will pay them?
yes, they are learning the errors, perfecting facial rec, license plate readers etc while ruining lives.
predictive policing, is about predicting crimes that often never happen but the wrong word, sentence, joke, stupid conversations can become conspiracy to commit. no act, no attempt, no actual crime, just a story & you can spend years in jail & prison. prosecutors can choose what "flock", interstate camera info they want to access & play dumb about the rest to create the story.
change a pattern, drive a different route, do driving delivery jobs without proper insurance using apps that track, you wont have ins. drive 85 for a stretch of road, you wont have insurance. do you know about fusion centers? state compacts? insurance company computers reporting to states at 12:01a your ins expired resulting in auto DL suspensions & the police informing you as they confiscate your drivers license? computer error but who pays? reinstatement fees, time, transportation arrangements, phone calls & if they catch you driving until the issue is corrected you will have a real ticket that could in some states cost you jail time.
these are just a few examples & issues. tracking is simply about power & revenue. why does the system need to know your tire pressure on your car as you drive by another? the info from your phone, audio system and so much more as you drive past? managing the herd has costs & the herd exists to provide the necessary revenues for now & future...simple business
I think the fact they track murderers, rapists, child snatchers and sex traffickers with this tech overrides any mistakes it makes. If, as you say, people go to prison because the tech is faulty, the only reason you would know about that is if it was discovered and the wrong righted.
IF they catch so many sex traffickers & keep promising to do so…how come the big names remain untouched? same with drug dealers? those running these systems that oversee & overlook the routes, gateways & focus, only prosecute the minions? rescue small numbers in comparison to the numbers of those that go missing?
i know about it because i have educated myself & I know people IRL it has happened to & NO it often isn’t righted until after the destruction of livlihoods, family’s is done. often it is not righted. the misread license plates is indisputable & obvious but it still cost those people caught up in it.
i could run the list down, following the logic even further but you seem intelligent enough to do it yourself.
The constitutional powers are with the state constitutions. these camera systems are not new but have been building for decades with legislative support including the requirement of the latest tech in all new cars in 2027. why are they trying to ban them now? What exactly are they trying to ban? those details matter.
An old issue was the government having to buy the data from the companies collecting..pay for access.
You describe exactly what statistics tries to avoid. Look up Type 1 and Type 2 statistical errors. Society used to think it was better to let an innocent person go than to falsely jail him or her. Type 1 statistical error is a false positive, or when you are willing to convict based on, let's say, an AI error when it isn't true.
yes. those stats are real people whose lives are often destroyed in a blink of an eye. i have friends who approach this from the viewpoint i answered. This is no longer just lousy customer service or mixed up orders nor our providing millions in revenue for data points…
it is real life thousands of dollars lost & great harm to innocent people who did nothing wrong
Invasion of privacy!
Totally unnecessary and worse than rude.
Thank you. Why are aren’t the politicians crying foul?
No to the police state.